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I was going share the details of my week - I mentally quit my job six times so it was quite an eventful one - but I refuse to spend one more minute thinking about the wretched place. Instead I turn to my lovely source for all things Harry Potter.

My book club is going to have a Harry Potter Special and I'm wondering if you could help me with the following. Please answer any and all that interests you -

1 - What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books?

2- Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you?

3 - Were you satisfied with the ending?

4- Which book did you like most? The least? Any particular reason?

5 - Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change?

6- Which character death bothered you the most?

Thanks much ......
  • 1. Are you serious? Do you have a few days? I mean we go from the little things (Muggle devices don't work at Hogwarts, but Dennis' camera does) to the Weasley ages.

    2. Why the hell didn't Severus tell everyone about Remus? Sure they could have threatened him with possible detention for being out, but Remus, Sirius and Dumbledore would have all been kicked out of the school.

    3. The battle, meh, I didn't expect anything different. The epilogue needs to be burned.

    4. Most - PoA, because for me it was always about Sev, Remus and Sirius. Harry is secondary.

    Least - Probably OotP because of all the unnecessary crap.

    5. Favorite: Severus and Draco share that title from start to finish.
    Lest Favorite: Hagrid and Dumbledore. Hagrid was useless, Dumbledore was a manipulative bastard. Things didn't change by book 7.

    6. SEVERUS SNAPE. After the life he had, he should have survived and piss on the Marauders' graves.

    Biased? Me? Nah...
    • Are you serious? Do you have a few days?

      The more I reread passages the more I find. Some small and insignificant, some just really annoying.

      Dumbledore was a manipulative bastard. Things didn't change by book 7.

      He really was, wasn't he? Some of the scenes in the "The Tale of a Prince " chapter in DH between Severus and Dumbledore were just disturbing. Poor Severus. He was my favorite, from his first insult to Harry, and I thought he deserved better.

      Thanks for much for stopping by to answer my questions.
  • hey, avoiding any and all work related thoughts is what I'm doing too. deny, deny, deny \o/

    1) Oh, hundreds. Honestly though, most were tiny little things that never bothered me - to the point that I can't even remember what exactly they were.

    2) Not particularly, and the few she left me with have been answered brilliantly by fanfic.

    3) Bits and pieces. Like so many other people I didn't like the epilogue - I would have preferred that she leave that up to our imagination. Something about seeing it written out in canon was-- jarring, really. (And this is coming from someone who really loved the Harry/Ginny, Ron/Hermione pairings.) But whenever I think of the end, I think of Molly Weasley in the battle scene. I love that bit more than I can properly express.

    4) Least first, as it's the easiest: Chamber of Secrets. Meh. Most: Hum. Order of the Phoenix I think. Harry was such a teenager. I half expected him to hang out at Hot Topic and complain about how adults just don't understand, man. (Oh, wait, he did.)

    5) My favorite characters have always been Fred, George and Ron. I didn't like Ginny until, hm, book four I think. There are characters I don't *like*, but that doesn't mean I don't care about them, or find them interesting. I don't like Voldemort but I thought he was interesting. Malfoy's lackeys were the only characters I didn't care about in some way or another.

    6) It ought to be Fred, given that I have some sort of bizarre literary crush on him but I would have to say Snape. This is mostly because I desperately, desperately want to a scene when Snape first meets his namesake. Possibly in Potions class.

    May all work related wretchedness improve. *grin*


    Edited at 2008-01-20 04:21 am (UTC)
    • 2) Not particularly, and the few she left me with have been answered brilliantly by fanfic.

      This comment makes me jealous. I sooooo want to start writing again, to explore those missing bits I want to fill in. *sigh* I have to try harder to find time. Sleep is highly overrated anyway.

      :o)

      Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.
  • 1. What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books? Math (ages and family trees, anyone?) and the contradictory attitude of judging people based on association, i.e. No one should be judged evil because of their association in Books 1 and 2; by Book 7? SLYTHERINS ARE ALL GUILTY BECAUSE THEY ARE SLYTHERIN!

    2. Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you? Why did we spend any time at all reading about Grawp? Seriously ~ what a colossal waste of print.

    3. Were you satisfied with the ending? Not at all. Hyper-intellectual Hermione marrying one-dimensional Ron? Snape giving up his life for a cause that couldn't even be bothered to honor him properly, all because he fancied a girl when he was 17? Neville's parents' memories never being restored? Where is the satisfaction in that???

    4. Which book did you like most? The least? Any particular reason? Philosopher's Stone was my favorite, hands down. The book benefited from aggressive editing, was well-paced and forced readers to think about their assumptions re: allegiances, the nature of good vs. evil and the interplay of fate and chance.

    My least favorite book was Goblet of Fire. The book was the first of a series of bloated, horribly paced and -- in my view -- over-written books that nearly killed my interest in the series. I read it and the following three books, but only by skimming over dozens of pages to get to the "good" parts.

    5. Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change? My favorite character was Snape, from the very beginning. He was the most intriguing, least obvious and most layered character in the story.

    As to my least favorite, it's a toss-up between Albus Dumbledore and Sirius Black. I disliked Sirius from the first time he appeared in the story: he was a spoiled, egotistical prat who never thought beyond what he wanted. He might not have been intrinsically evil ~ like Bellatrix was ~ but based on how JKR wrote him, that seemed to be more a function of luck and the crowd he wound up with than any intentional choice on his part. Dumbledore, on the other hand, suffered from being written as a quirky Headmaster in the first book to being reduced to a cardboard cut-out by the end: not as wise as originally portrayed, but not as sneaky as he should have been.

    6. Which character death bothered you the most? Snape's. His character had the most depth, his behavior was (arguably) the most noble, his love was the purest, yet he wound up dying ignominiously.
    5.
    • Snape giving up his life for a cause that couldn't even be bothered to honor him properly, all because he fancied a girl when he was 17?

      You know, I kind of suspected this his love for Lily would be the reason behind his actions but I really hoped it wouldn't be. I really hoped it would be something more....just more. This seemed so lacking in so many ways and so inconsistent with the character she created.

      Thanks so much for your insights.
  • 1. There were MANY inconsistencies. How come we didn't know about the Trace on magic until book 7? When did the Prank in the Shrieking Shack happen--before or after the incident when James Potter pantsed Severus Snape? How come Snape and Voldemort can fly without brooms? Even just within book 7, why does Hermione say that she's never done a memory charm right after she tells Harry that she's Obliviated her parents and sent them to Australia?

    2. There were many unanswered questions, but I don't think they irked me. Well, the wands thing was very peculiar. I don't understand how that worked, I think it was terribly inconsistent and crazy.

    3. I was pleased that Harry lived and that he defeated Voldemort, and glad that Neville and Luna got to develop as characters. I was not satisfied with the poor reconciliation of Harry with Snape and even, Harry with Petunia. It's also weird that this tremendously powerful wizard can't conjure himself a sandwich and has to wish for his house elf to make him one. Also, the epilogue was ridiculous.

    4. I liked book 3 the most, I think. It gave us the best sense of Harry's past, it had the right tone--just serious enough, starting to ramp up the stakes--and best of all, it was edited. Book four was a little disappointing and by book five I was furious. It was obvious that whoever edited was too intimidated to work on her prose. Book 7 was definitely the worst from this perspective, though. So many inconsistencies and strange constructions!

    5. In book 1, I suppose it was tie for me between Harry and Dumbledore--I really liked Dumbledore in book 1! Actually, I liked all the characters in book 1 better than I liked any of them by book 7! I had no least favorite character in book 1 and I disliked some of my former favorites by book 7: Dumbledore in particular, but also Molly and Arthur Weasley, who I had really liked at the beginning. I think I liked Snape the most by the end of the series.

    7. I'm not sure. They all felt disturbingly manipulative to me. Probably Fred Weasley--that one felt most artificial. "Let's see, I have to kill off one of the Weasleys, and the identical twins have spares--we don't know Charlie that well, and Bill was already scarred by a werewolf, and Harry wouldn't be able to handle it if Ron died, and Percy is too cheap. Yup, Fred, you gotta go!"
    • Well, the wands thing was very peculiar. I don't understand how that worked, I think it was terribly inconsistent and crazy.

      The wand thing still confuses me. I've reread that part over and over and it doesn't help. It felt very forced and unnecessary.

      Thanks for answering my questions.
  • 1 - What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books?
    I can't think of a specific thing at the moment because they never bothered me at all, but I've wondered why James and Lily needed a secret keeper but when the Weasleys did the Fidelius Charm, Bill and Mr. Weasley were made secret keepers in their own houses.

    2- Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you?
    None.

    3 - Were you satisfied with the ending?
    No. A lot of the characters that helped with the development of the story were left out. It is one think to write a story about Harry, Ron and Hermione and mention Neville, Percy and others on the side but it's.. lacking, for me. It was like watching a movie and then jumping to the ending, but still feeling bereft? If you get my drift..

    4- Which book did you like most? The least? Any particular reason?
    Prisoner of Azkaban and Order of the Phoenix, because they made the series roll.

    There's no least for me :)

    5 - Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change?
    I didn't dislike any character. Favorite character is Ron. Didn't change as the story developed, because he stuck with Harry up to the end even with all his insecurities.

    6- Which character death bothered you the most?
    Snape's.
    • but I've wondered why James and Lily needed a secret keeper but when the Weasleys did the Fidelius Charm, Bill and Mr. Weasley were made secret keepers in their own houses.

      I never though about that. Brilliant point. It's stuff like this that I am looking for.

      Thanks so much.
  • 1. The "Hermione obliviates her parents but hasn't done a memory charm" thing from the the last book REALLY bothered me. I also disturbed by how little the Wizarding justice system resembles the actual British justice system.

    2. Actually, I wish she'd stop giving interviews and let the books stand on their own. This retconning via interview is driving me nuts, especially since she's contradicted herself repeatedly.

    3. Not at all. In fact, I hated the last book. I thought it was inconsistent, poorly edited, and downright frigid in places. Very disappointing.

    4. DH :). The main reason, I think, was that I got the feeling she was sacrificing characterization and plausibility for plot points, especially the whole Lupin/Tonks thing. Neither acted like themselves, and in particular, I was stunned by how she had the mother of a month old baby leave him to follow her (not very loving) husband into a battle. Rowling seems obsessed by orphaned babies, and this one really pissed me off.

    Also, why are all babies male? And why were all the female characters (except possibly Luna) eventually treated as stereotypes?

    5. Book One: McGonagall. Loved her. My favorite character as the series went along was Lupin, which is why another reason why the final book bothered me so much. It was like she so intent on making him angsty and giving him a family that she coupled him with a woman whether they were compatible or not, made him react like a boor to the baby, and then killed him so he could have a speech to Harry that could have gone more plausibly to James.

    6. Lupin. See above. Followed by Charity Burbage. That was plain sadistic, and how they're going to film that without an R rating is a mystery to me.
  • 1) I'm sure there are some, but that's not generally what I notice. I wait until others point them out :)

    2) I'd really like to see a Potter family tree. Beyond that, there isn't anything I can think of right now.

    3) The only part of the epilogue I liked was the idea Harry grew up and was happy. I don't like the epilogue itself.

    4) Most: Half-Blood Prince, probably, because it showed Harry really coming into his own. He was no longer the whiny teen from OotP, but had the balls to stand up to the Minister.
    Least: Order of the Phoenix, mainly due to all the rubbish thrown in. To date it's the only book I've only read twice (once for me and once to the rugrat). I think the movie distilled the important things.

    5) Favorite: Harry, and that didn't change.
    Least: in book 1, it was probably Snape, but by book 7 it was Ginny.

    6) Dobby. I didn't cry at Sirius's death -- was more shocked than anything -- shock at Dumbledore's and Hedwig's death. It was Dobby's death and how Harry handled it that really made me cry for the first time in the series.

    Edited at 2008-01-20 10:00 am (UTC)
    • Dobby's death got to me too. He was just a pure, innocent soul. And a hero. I was prouder of Harry at that point then I was anywhere else in the series. It was the first time I really thought of him as a man.

      Thanks for answering my questions.
  • 1. I admit I did think Slytherins wouldn't still be cold shouldered at the end - but who listens to a Hat?

    2. Nothing we can't write, ourselves - unless you count maths!

    3. Totally and completely - Hermione got her boy and Harry got a family - and Ron is extremely famous!

    4. Most: DH - Least: none - they all have wonderful Ronness in them.

    5. Ron all the way. From the moment we met him until we left him in the steam... Harry's first and best friend.

    6. Dobby. I guess teh others were brushed past more, but the whole dying in his arms and the burial...
    • I've always shared your love of Ron and I appreciate it. I never thought Ron a got a fair share in this fandom.

      Keep up the good work. :o)

      Thanks for stopping by.
  • 1. The main inconsistency for me is that the books pretend to be about choice, but turn out to be a lot more about predestination. Then there is the fact that I feel that JKR wants me to like several characters (like James, Lily, Sirius and Dumbledore), but by the end of her account I really don't. Another thing is that we have to believe Dumbledore is so brilliant and a great strategist (which is the excuse for his manipulative behaviour), and yet we are expected to believe he didn't think of Obliviating Snape when Snape was caught eavesdropping on the prophecy. Oh, and Snape's characterisation in books 1-6 clashes completely with that in 7, but that's probably just me. Also, at the end of the seven books it still makes no sense that cunning and ambition lead towards Voldemort.
    Apart from those major points, there are a lot of very annoying inconsistencies with ages, spells, and rules changing when you have your back turned.

    2. Yes and no. She just introduced way too many elements and themes, and there were plenty of things I wanted to know. But when I see how she dealt with the things that she did give a proper ending, I guess I am glad she left so many questions unanswered.

    3. Not. At. All. I can't understand how she can write a magical parallel of Nazism and then suggest that 19 years later "all was well". I suggest she goes on a holiday to Germany and asks the people there whether 50 years after the facts all is well.
    Apart from that, see above. Of all the themes she introduced, she dropped too many - she shouldn't have introduced them in the first place. Personally I am of course most bothered by the fact that all Slytherins are teh ebil. I couldn't believe my ears when in the Pottercast interview she said she was sort of amused at the fact that the Slytherins came to the battle after having fetched reinforcements. Jo, dear - you never wrote that, you know?!

    4. It will probably sound odd, but my favourite is Order of the Phoenix. I thought Harry the Angry Teen was spot on, and Snape's Worst Memory ushered me into fandom. Reading that chapter made me think Rowling was on to something great. Unfortunately nothing of what I thought I found there eventually materialised :/.
    Least favourite: DH. It was poorly constructed, poorly edited, rushed, and shallow. Well, to me at least.

    5. I can't recall having had a favourite character from book one... I wasn't impressed with the book. I developed soft spots for Dumbledore, McGonagall and Snape though. From book five, Snape became my absolute favourite, but - it's horrible to have to say it, but book seven made him uninteresting to me. I hardly recognise in DH!Snape the character I came to love so much in the earlier books. As for Dumbledore, I adore his eccentricities, and used to think of him as a good person, but after his callous manipulation of Snape and Harry I can't say I do anymore. HBP and DH made me lose my esteem for McGonagall too. On the whole, I guess that the only characters I still genuinely like are Neville and Luna.

    6. Snape's. It was pointless and depressing, and just generally very hard to believe that someone who had slithered out of so many tight spots would die in such a lame way. He must have been extremely tired or something, because if that interaction with Voldemort is anything to go by, it is simply impossible to believe he lasted that long as a Death Eater and as a spy.

    Negative much? I'm sorry... I have been going over the elements of my Potter-disenchantment with a friend a few days ago, and it brought home to me again just how much I had come to expect, and how little of that was actually delivered. I fully admit that I should have known better...
    • we are expected to believe he didn't think of Obliviating Snape when Snape was caught eavesdropping on the prophecy.

      The interpretation consistent with how clever Dumbles is supposed to be -- albeit disturbing -- is that he purposely didn't Obliviate him, because he wanted Severus to take that prophecy back to Voldemort. Perhaps he is trying to force the creation of the pig he later leads to slaughter, so to speak?
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  • 1 - What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books?

    2- Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you? The missing 24 hours and how Dumbledore knew about the Potter's deaths. There was 24 hours between James and Lily's deaths and Harry getting to the Dursleys - wtf! And the deaths, how could he have known - he WAS NOT the secret keeper! What kinda magic does that man have?

    3 - Were you satisfied with the ending? Ending - kinda. Epilogue - nfw! Sucked! I did not care for the "Harry returning from the dead" aspects of it but it was good. Most of the things that needed to be resolved were resolved. The Epilogue - NO! Bad! Killed the story. We did not need the soap opera - badly edited Epiloge at all.

    4- Which book did you like most? The least? Any particular reason? I liked HBP. I think many of the big issues were focused on in that book without the extraneous subject lines that are never fully developed.

    5 - Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change? Least = Snape. Period. Nothing change by book7 - book 7 reinforced this feeling. Favorite - Fred & George. They added all the necessary fun to each story.

    6- Which character death bothered you the most? Hedwig - really! She just did not have to die. Why or why is that boy not allowed to have anything in his life that he love stay alive! Close second was Dobby - not so much the death but the death scene. Boy did I cry over that one.
    • We did not need the soap opera - badly edited Epilogue at all.

      I didn't mind the things we learned in the epilogue but it seemed like a really shoddy way to present them. I wouldn't have minded it is it was better written.

      Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.
  • Part 1

    1 - What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books?

    Hundreds. Thousands. If I wrote from now until the next month, I wouldn't be able to list them all.

    See also Chapter 3—Will and Won't, Chapter 10—The House of Gaunt, Chapter 12—Silver and Opals, Chapter 13—The Secret Riddle, Chapter 17—A Sluggish Memory, Chapter 19—Elf Tails (co-sporked with underlucius), Chapter 20—Lord Voldemort's Request, Chapter 22—After the Burial, Chapter 23--Horcruxes, Chapter 25—The Seer Overheard, Chapter 26—The Cave and Chapter 29—The Phoenix Lament at hbpspork and Chapter 2—In Memoriam, Chapter 3—The Dursleys Departing, Chapter 7—The Will of Albus Dumbledore, Chapter 9—A Place to Hide and Chapter 11—The Bribe deadlyhollow for my chapter-by-chapter breakdowns of precisely what is wrong. Check out the work of the other sporkers as well. The errors in logic, consistency and canon continuity are well-documented.

    Note: deadlyhollow is ongoing.
    • Part 2

      2- Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you?

      God, yes! Among them:

      1) We learn in Chapter 17 of DH that Lily was behind a barricaded door in the nursery holding Harry before Voldemort got the door open. Why didn't she Apparate away with the baby, instead of just standing there screaming uselessly? You don't need a wand to Apparate, after all.

      2) In Chapter 12 of DH, a woman sacrifices herself to save her children from being murdered by Voldemort, just as Lily did. Why, therefore, doesn't Voldemort become Vapormort again? He should, as it was the power of Lily's motherly sacrifice combined with Avada Kedavra that rendered him bodiless in the first place.

      3) We keep being told that Harry's ability to love is pivotal—is, in fact, the power that will defeat the Dark Lord. Why, therefore, does Harry consistently show so little compassion to others and perpetually make everyone else's suffering all about himself and how he feels?

      4) How the hell could Harry forget his own birthday in Chapter 3 of DH?

      5) Why didn't Snape tell anyone about Remus attacking him? I find it hard to believe that he was overwhelmed with gratitude at not being mauled, killed or eaten.

      6) Given that Remus grew visibly paler and sicker every full moon, and that every day after the full moon he was either ill in the infirmary or suffering from fresh wounds, and that Hogwarts helpfully provides all students with lessons in Astronomy and with lunar charts starting when the kids are in first year—why the hell didn't anyone but the Marauders ever figure out that Remus was a werewolf?

      7) Given that the Marauders talked about Remus's lycanthropy out loud in a crowded hall in OotP, how the frell did they keep his condition a secret?

      8) What happened to Ron? He went from being an able strategist and excellent chess player in the first book to inept and dumb as a box of rocks in the seventh.

      9) In a world where the existence of ghosts, souls and the afterlife are all provable facts, and where Horcruxes (which contain split souls) are abominations...why is the permanent destruction of a soul by way of the Dementor's Kiss considered to be in any way acceptable as legal punishment?

      10) Wizards appear to have nothing approaching political representation or a legislature. Instead, the Minister of Magic, who is appointed, and his undersecretaries simply issue unilateral edicts or decrees. Given that, according to JKR, 25% of the magical population is Muggleborn, why does no one protest such a dictatorial system, or even remark on it?

      11) Why did Voldemort leave the ring Horcrux behind in the ruins of the Gaunt house? Why didn't he put it somewhere considerably more secure? It contains part of his soul, after all.

      12) Given that Harry was the one person who could defeat Voldemort, why did Dumbledore put him in a position where, at the age of thirteen, he and another third year a) could have been killed by one of two suspected Death Eaters, one of whom was armed with an axe, and neither of whom had any love for Muggleborns or for the Boy-Who-Lived, b) could have been infected, maimed or killed by a ravening werewolf; or c) could have been rendered mindless, soulless husks by a hundred or so starving Dementors on the grounds of Hogwarts while d) attempting to alter past events? Why is all this acceptable risk?

      13) Why didn't Dumbledore just Obliviate Snape after Snape was caught eavesdropping? Then Voldemort would never have known about the prophecy.

      14) Why did Voldemort keep using Avada Kedavra on Harry, despite the fact that it kept failing? If you were a Dark Lord, wouldn't you notice that? And wouldn't you do something about it?

      15) Why did Rowling keep stressing that Ginny was a powerful witch when, in the end, Ginny's power or lack thereof was irrelevant?
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  • 1) There are severe timeline/continuity issues all over the place, mostly congregating around the last three books. Biggest example springing to mind: That letter from Lily to Sirius in book 7. How did it get to Grimmauld Place? (It can't have been delivered there, I don't see Sirius or Snape as able or willing, respectively, to carry it around for more than a decade, and I doubt Sirius had time to collect his belongings after his prison break.)

    2) Nothing's coming to mind; I'll probably be back if I think of something.

    3) GOD NO. We got the 'married with children' epilogue instead of the 'we're gonna change the world, Marty' epilogue. I don't care how many interviews JKR claims the world is better in; she didn't write that ending, for all it would've been easy to incorporate into what she gave us. So: the wizarding world hasn't changed one iota. I look forward to the next Dark Lord coming along and killing everyone.

    4) My favorite is still PoA; it had the best plot and the best plot twists. I still haven't read book 6, since I heard it was a Cesspit of Suck, so that makes Deathly Hallows my least favorite by default. Somewhere along the way, the woman lost track of how to use her professional beta readers.

    5) My favorite character from the first book was probably Hermione, since I can identify with the independent-bookish-girl thing. But by book 7 I was... thoroughly unimpressed with her, even though she seemed to be the only one of the Trio who even attempted logic.

    6) I have a four-or-five-way tie for this, actually:
    *Remus and Tonks. For all I don't like how JKR chose to develop their relationship, particularly what it did to poor Tonks as a character, they were important enough to the series to merit one of the on-screen deaths that went to someone we'd never heard of before.
    *Peter. That whole scene felt like JKR went, 'I'd really rather not write about Evil Traitor Rat Guy again, but for some damn reason he's acquired a fanbase that will probably bitch at me if I don't kill him off on-screen.' When that fanbase would have much preferred a better handling of the life debt business, not to mention seeing that silver hand get put to good use against a werewolf...
    *Sirius. Death by drapery? Dumbledore assuming it was the Veil to Death or whatever? Please.
    *Regulus. The wasted character potential makes me WEEP, and I will never be convinced that Kreacher was a house-elf worth dying for. Never.
    • *Peter. That whole scene felt like JKR went, 'I'd really rather not write about Evil Traitor Rat Guy again, but for some damn reason he's acquired a fanbase that will probably bitch at me if I don't kill him off on-screen.' When that fanbase would have much preferred a better handling of the life debt business, not to mention seeing that silver hand get put to good use against a werewolf...

      I just mentioned to someone else how much his death bothered me. I saw that silver hand attacking Remus in one last act of treachery or killing Fenrir in one last attempt at redemption. I was convinced that it would be one of the great scenes in the book and it was just...slightly ironic.

      Thanks for your great answers.
  • So... on with the "despotricamiento"!

    2- Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you?
    Yes. I really wanted to know what Harry did after saving the world. Did he become an Auror after all that happened to him? Did he become a famous Quidditch player? or took an entirely different job?

    3 - Were you satisfied with the ending?
    The ending of the last chapter was satisfying. And then the epilogue went and ruined the whole seven books with its simplifying, dumbing conservatism. So no, not really.

    4- Which book did you like most? The least? Any particular reason?
    I loved Prisoner of Azkaban. The reasons? Snape and Lupin, my favourite characters of the whole series. But also because it's the best written of the seven books: every scene, dialogue and word is there for a reason, serves a purpose, and the ending takes you by surprise, although the clues were there the whole time. It's very well crafted. I think it's because Rowling was in her prime, gaining enough fame and money to boost her confidence, having enough experience from the previous books, and still not as rich and as famous as to feel the pressure of it all. Also, since the movies were still not out, they didn't influence the book.
    The worst? Half-Blood Prince, definitely. The only book where I got bored, where absolutely NOTHING happens until the end, where the description in the blurb had nothing to do with the content of the book. It's crap, full of stupid and unnecessary romantic plots, interesting but dragging backstory, and with absolutely no mention of all the interesting stuff going on outside the castle.

    5 - Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change?
    My favourite character from book 1 was Snape, although book 7 let me down a little bit with his backstory. I also took a liking to Neville from the start, which grew as the story progresed. My least favourite character? I didn't have one in book one, but from book five onwards it's definitely Harry for being so stupid and Hermione, for being so perfect and Emma Watson-ish.

    6- Which character death bothered you the most? Lupin and Tonks', and Fred's, which were by far the most random and pointless.
    • The worst? Half-Blood Prince, definitely. The only book where I got bored, where absolutely NOTHING happens until the end, where the description in the blurb had nothing to do with the content of the book. Book six was filler. It was fine for what it was, but it was definitely filler. I almost think it needed a few more high profile deaths. I might have been better prepared for the bloodbath that was DH.

      Thanks for taking the time to answer.
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  • 1 - The good folk at deadly_hollow and deathtocapslock detail the continuity issues far more extensively than I can (or could bear to).... though I will add what set me irrevocably against DH was reading Lupin's speeches in it. Canon!Lupin was never my favorite character, but he didn't sound like bad Bronte in his earlier appearances.

    2 - Life debts. There was so much potential in that theme (and JKR has read Dorothy L. Sayers) and it went bloody nowhere.

    3 - No.

    4 - Least: DH. I came quite late to HP fandom, though -- I got drawn to the books via a Dark Is Rising crossover and an AU RPG, so I read the series out of order and my impressions of the characters have always been shaded by fanon interpretations). What has surprised me is how much I ended up admiring canon!Snape in spite of his author - if I'd read the first book in a vacuum, he certainly wouldn't have been a favorite at the start.

    I also ended up liking Fleur a lot. She comes across as unbearably snooty in GoF, but in DH her manners hold up far better than her in-laws. :-p

    6 - Harry's - mainly because it showed both the best and the worst of JKR's writing skillz. I thought her depiction of some of Harry's thoughts as he knowingly went to his death was genuinely moving; that said, the reappearance of the Marauders fell flat for me (if they're not ghosts in that scene, then what are they? and where was Tonks? it felt like yet another scene where I was supposed to adore the Ms+Lily but I don't), as did the whole weird train + not-saving-the-baby dreamscape.

    If you were to sum up my ultimate disenchantment in the series in a nutshell, it would be, "The author takes it for granted that I will admire and identify with her Gryffindors; I don't."
  • Wow, these are excellent questions. May I repost them in my LJ, with attribution to you?
  • 1. The money was an early one. No credible relationship to real money and nobody's attempt to explain it so far has satisfied me - not after discovering that Mrs. Weasley intended to pay for five of her kids' school things with a single Galleon in CoS. I was never entirely convinced by the blood magic that protected Harry under the Dursleys' roof either. And then there's the Trace and the whole thing about not being afraid to mention Voldemort's name - until DH when suddenly it summons a legion of Death Eaters ...

    2. Not really. Actually, I've always wished she'd talk LESS!

    3. The ending - yes. The epilogue - no. I really wish she hadn't put the epilogue in, but such is life.

    4. I love POA, probably because of all the Marauder stuff. My least favourite is HBP which, while it has some great stuff in it, comes across as the least re-readable for me - probably it's all the Tom Riddle flashbacks.

    5. Favourite character - Ron! Least favourite character - Snape. no, that didn't change.

    6. It's a tie between Lupin and Tonks, mostly because of the disfunctional nature of their relationship. But also, after all the earbashing we had through seven books that Harry's loss of his parents was a terrible tragedy etc. etc. ... she killed Teddy's parents. Great. And the logic in that is ...?
  • Hah, this will prove what a bubble-gum fanon-based fangirl I am.

    1 - What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books? None. Not to say there aren't any, but that I don't care in the slightest.

    2 - Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you? It's the amount of questions she HAS answered that pisses me the heck off.

    3 - Were you satisfied with the ending? Hmm, 'satisfied with,' probably not. 'Gutted by' is more like it.

    4 - Which book did you like most? GoF. The least? HBP. Any particular reason? She killed Cedric and writhing eels, respectively. (Note: not because the latter was inappropriate or badly written or blahdy blahdy, but because I don't need to relive that shit again, kthx.)

    5 - Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change? I loved Ron from the getgo, and although it diminished, it will never disappear. Sirius and Harry became my least faves by book three, but Harry redeemed himself by seven (actually probably by six) and Gary Oldman almost has me not hating Sirius. Almost. ;)

    6- Which character death bothered you the most? I had to think to actually get an answer, but: Hedwig. From an authorial perspective, it's like... It's like the Skeksis throwing Fizzgig down the crystal shaft in The Dark Crystal. "Hey, we have a non-human, loved character we can used to tug at the heartstrings without being crass, because while we all are fine with slaughtering cows and chickens for food, kill our pets and we all feel bad without having to feel guilty or actually offended." Cough. So it's a liberal rant, really, and I'm sure needs to be fleshed out to be a valid understandable argument, but you asked. :P
    • :o)

      There are definite story problems and glaring inconsistencies but I'm not bothered by them. I guess I'm a bit bubble gum as well. I am interested in them though. I like to see what people pick up on and what they obsess about.

      Like you, I didn't need her to answer everything. I know she did that for the fans that don't have a fandom to rely on, but why not just write another book and move on.

      How are you BTW? I've been MIA for so long I feel horribly out of touch.

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    • Finally, the number of people who apparently knew where Godric's Hollow was despite it being a "secret" irks me!

      I think the Secret would have been Lily and James's living there, or their specific address. Lots of people know where Grimmauld Place is, too, without knowing about #12.

      How Hagrid and Sirius were able to find the Potters' houses when they weren't the secret keepers, and neither was Dumbledore.

      If you already know what the secret conceals, I don't think you forget it when the charm is cast, you're just not able to reveal that information to anyone else.
  • 1. Studying doesn't seem to make you any better of a witch/wizard, it's all pre-determined. Hermione = smartest witch of her age! Doesn't need classes, has books! Neville = late bloomer, but AWESOMEST wizard.

    2. And they all lived happily ever after? Really? No more conflicts? Strange...

    3. I was one of the groaners about the epilogue, yeah. It wasn't so much that I wanted to deny them a happily-ever-after, it was the fact that it seemed so pat and quaint. Also, I was starting to be beyond caring who hooked up with who. I wanted to know what happened to McGonagall, Slughorn, etc.

    4. Least - Half-Blood Prince. While I loved the Riddle backstory, Snape's whole "I?? I, the Half-Blood Prince???" was just a bit too much hilarity. Favorite - Prisoner of Azkaban. Probably still the one that had the most mystery and best plot twist.

    5. I can't entirely recall.

    6. Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedwig. :(
  • 1 - What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books?
    I’ll have to think about this one.

    2- Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you?
    How did Lily ever fall in love with James? What happened to the Dursley’s.

    3 - Were you satisfied with the ending?
    Not really. She should have stopped before the epilogue or give an update of ALL the characters.

    4- Which book did you like most? The least? Any particular reason?
    I liked the first book. So charming with little details. I hated the fifth book. Harry was so whiney. This book also made me hate Sirius. Before, I believed he cared about Harry. Sure, he was reckless and hated Snape, but he also told Harry to listen to Snape because he could be trusted. All of a sudden in book 5, he became this crazy, morose, selfish person trying to relive his glory days.

    5 - Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change?
    Hated Snape and Draco, loved them by the end. They were the products of their environment and they were just way over their heads.

    I always thought of Ginny as the cute little sister. All of a sudden, starting in book 5, she became a Mary Sue.

    I know they were not in book 1, but what happed to level headed Lupin and friendly Tonks in book 6 and 7? They become so….weak.

    6- Which character death bothered you the most?
    My beloved Hedwig. Also, Lupin and Tonks. I didn’t even know they died when it was first mentioned! It was such a little casual line that I thought they were lying there because they were tired/hurt. When I found out a few pages later, I was like “wait, what?!” and had to go back
  • PART I

    1 - What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books?

    I'm just going to stick to my biggest peeve: the main theme of "choices". This is supposedly the message behind the series, but not in a single book do I see any person deliberately choosing good or evil - they just *are*. Further, people from 'good families" are all good, people from "bad stock" are all bad. The Weasleys (including Percy whose lapse is momentary and fully forgiven) and the Potters, the only two "good" families we ever properly see, are incapable of producing a real scumbag traitor. The Gaunts and the Riddles are both rotten, though in entirely different ways, and even the halfway-decent Merope is given a thrashing by Dumbledore, blamed for her own misfortunes without the slightest shred of evidence and against all common sense. The Snapes are dysfunction just as Severus is. The Malfoys, full of puffery and grandiose notions of themselves, produce the equally snotty (supposedly) Draco. The Black family is the only exception to this rule, which is probably why Sirius seems like the most *real* character in the series, the only one who had real choices to make and made the good ones. And even this Black family isn't explored at all after OotP. Makes me weep.

    Oh, and because I can't resist: the biggest factual plot hole for me was how the Secret Keeper thing works. If you're going to hang an antire seven-book series on one spell, you'd better make sure you know how it works!

    2- Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you?

    Oh, God, where do I start?
    - How did Sirius die? Curtains aren't *usually* lethal, you know.
    - What was in the room in the Department of Mysteries that could not be opened?
    - WTF was Dumbledore's plan? He wanted Voldemort to think Snape was the owner of the Elder Wand - but WHY? Wouldn't that put Snape in mortal danger? And Dumbledore couldn't possibly have thought leaving Hermione a book of fairy tales would help the trio figure out all about the Deathly Hallows thorough a fantastic series of coincidences, could he? And so on and so forth.

    • PART II

      3 - Were you satisfied with the ending?

      NO. After 6 books of stressing how the Dark can never truly be defeated, only delayed over and over again, we get "ALL WAS WELL"? The wizarding world has HUGE problems - proliferating Dementors, Death Eaters on the loose, a wizarding population that has quietly submitted to a bunch of magi-Nazis, packs of evil Slytherins roaming the streets, an enslaved house-elf population to free, a dysfunctional Ministry of Magic... and ALL WAS WELL just because *Voldemort* is dead? Are you kidding me?

      4- Which book did you like most? The least? Any particular reason?

      Prisoner of Azkaban was my favourite book, followed by the Order of the Phoenix. Both books took the series to new levels of complexity, showed us old things in a new light. They were really cool. The possibilities they opened up were intriguing and endless. They had thematic unity, they were elegantly written, they were edited (well, OotP not so much, but still) and they were relatively free of complete baloney.

      My least favourite books are HBP and DH, I can't choose between them. Both books were empty nothings without any editing, both for grammar and continuity. HBP was a brain-dead affair with both Harry and Voldemort siting around doing NOTHING. At least Harry got to watch some neat videos (trips in the Pensieve) but where the hell was Voldie in that book? What was he doing? And DH is unparalleled in its moronic plot, its gaping logic holes, and the sheer disappointment it caused. I spent 7 years in the fandom for THIS? The ending was a shameless cop-out, lacking both meaning and resonance. It was really unforgiveable.

      5 - Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change?

      I always liked Harry, but that changed in the last book. I can take CAPSLOCK!Harry, I can take chestMonster!Harry, but by God I'm not going to stand for a Harry who is selfish, clueless and brain-dead. Damn! Book 7 Harry must have had a lobotomy, I swear, he was that dumb. Other than Harry, I'd always liked Snape (another Book 7 disappointment - where the hell WAS he?), Sirius (unexplained death by drapery notwithstanding, he's still my favourite) and Luna (the only female character who isn't a stereotype, she even manages to shake off her Phoebe-Buffet schtick and move beyond her weirdness).

      My least favourite character has always been Dumbledore. I thought he was a manipulative bastard who was WAY less smart than he seemed to think, and I was stunned when DH acknowledged as much. Oh well. If the author knows he's a bastard and still expects me to worship him, that doesn't redeem him any in my eyes.

      For sheer wasted potential and the Chucked-Overboard-Syndrome, we have Ron Weasley. This kid, in the first four books, was funny, loyal, enormously brave, a little lacking in self-confidence and supposedly a great tactician. But ever since the movies came along, I guess JKR decided to keep the movie version of Ron - the scaredeycat who IS the comic relief instead of the brave kid who PROVIDES the good jokes. She butchered his character left, right and center in OotP, HBP and DH... especially the last two. Shame. For a while there I really liked him.


      6- Which character death bothered you the most?

      I've got three big complaints:
      1. Sirius Black's deathw as completely unexplained.
      2. Peter Pettigrew's death was a fucking joke - I certainly expected more than an ill-thought-out, hasty demise by self strangulation after FOUR BOOKS of buildup, kthxbai.
      3. Snape. Are you asking me to believe this potions master didn't have any essence of dittany on him?! NO. WAY. And even if he didn't, we KNOW Hermione does (she's used it in this book before!) so why couldn't they save Snape? If Arthur Weasley can live, Snape can live! That was the lamest death ever, honestly.

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  • 1.Well, I can't count that high. Granted most of them were pointed out to me rather than my noticing them.

    2. Not really. I would have loved to see certain things we didn't, but that's what fanfics are for.

    3 The ending. I don't like the epilogue, and I found most of book 7 just generally unsatisfying.

    4- I like Goblet of Fire the best, and Deathly Hallows least. I enjoyed the action in Goblet (and ooh, Lucius Malfoy). Deathly Hallows annoys me the most for the never-ending camping trip. I found it tedious, and I kept wishing she'd cut to what was happening at Hogwarts or someplace else.

    5 - I can't remember if I really liked or disliked any character till 5, when Harry got whiny. I love, love, love Lucius Malfoy (though I am willing to admit that may have more to do with Jason Isaacs in a blond wig then anything else).

    6- Snape's because it was so pointless! If you're going to kill him, at least have Voldemort find out that he's been a double agent and kill him for that.
  • Wandered over from <lj user="coyotegoth">

    thetreacletart (for me, via coyotegoth has some interesting questions about the Harry Potter series, particularly Book 7; I repost the questions with permission. (Please note that there will be Deathly Hallows spoilers in the comment chain, and behind the LJ cut.)


    1 - What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books?

    2- Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you?

    3 - Were you satisfied with the ending?

    4- Which book did you like most? The least? Any particular reason?

    5 - Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change?

    6- Which character death bothered you the most?

    1 - What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books? Mundane things like dates, but also things about where the Muggle and Wizarding world intersect. Does Harry's generation just uniformly wear Muggle clothing except for school robes? Why should the Wizarding community have such vastly different modes of dress if they've been intermingling with Muggles for centuries? I can understand leaning towards a Victorian or Steampunk aesthetic, but a total break in clothing styles? Eh, not so much.

    2- Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you? Oh my God, so many. What was Lupin doing in the twelve years between the Potters' death and PoA? Why, if he was such a close friend, was he considered The Spy? How many Wizarding families are there really? How long did the Wizarding and Muggle communities live side by side until the Wizards went underground? Major cultural questions, and specific character details. I'd also really, really like to know why Snape became a Death Eater. I don't feel like "Because Lily married that git Potter" is a good reason.

    3 - Were you satisfied with the ending? Not really. Especially not after the last book came out, and JKR was seen on every talk show giving us more info she probably could have used in a better epilogue than the one we got.

    4- Which book did you like most? The least? Any particular reason? I don't know which one I liked most. I think least and most favorite goes to Order of the Phoenix. Least, because, well, it really should have been titled JK Rowling and the Desperate Need For An Editor. Most, though, because it had her best characterizations, and Umbridge is truly incredible for being a villian without being on the "wrong" side. It was a very important difference, and I loved that it was used.

    5 - Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change? I was never too much a fan of Snape in the beginning, but by the seventh book, I was absolutely one of the people on his side. I knew that whatever he'd done, he did for his own reasons, and that he was best described as "Chaotic Neutral."

    I also consistently found Harry kind of annoying.

    6- Which character death bothered you the most? Remus and Tonks's both. Completely needless, for reasons too big to go into again.


    Edited at 2008-01-22 06:44 pm (UTC)
  • Following a day-old link to you from the Daily Snitch...

    1 - What inconsistencies have you found over the course of seven books?

    There were dozens (many of them mentioned by other people above), but the worst for me is that in DH at least three (wandcraft, Fidelius Charm, blood magic), perhaps four (life debt), major magics and one magical device (Harry's invisibility cloak) work *nothing like we've been told they did for the previous six books.* The wand chooses the wizard...unless another wizard takes it from its master's pocket and it like the new person better. (By this logic, potentially the most powerful wizard in the world is Mundungus Fletcher.) Lily and James couldn't be their own secret keepers, but Arthur and Bill can, and apparently anyone who knows the secret can share it, since Ron is able to tell H/H/Dobby how to get to Shell Cottage. The invisibility cloak provides perfect concealment that cannot be penetrated...except by Moody's eye, and Dumbledore, and Snape on a good day. And it's been drummed into our heads that Lily's ancient blood protection of Harry was invoked ONLY because Voldie gave her a specific chance to save herself, and she chose to die to protect Harry...yet somehow Harry manages to establish that same protection over everyone in the world, even though Voldie NEVER EVER offered Harry the chance to live if everyone else died.

    2- Are there any questions JK left unanswered that really irked you?

    The whole werewolf prank remains as murky as used bathwater--especially with the inconsistency about when it even took place. How Peter was turned, and why Snape didn't know about it (some spy he was in those days). Virtually everything surrounding the delivery of the prophecy. The Unbreakable Vow. And, oh yes, the rampaging Dementors that we never hear about again.

    And those are just the highlights.

    3 - Were you satisfied with the ending?

    Well. It was nice that Harry defeated Voldie and that he, Ginny, Ron, Hermione, Neville, and Luna all lived happily ever.

    It was less nice that the series proved to have nothing to with any of the themes it claimed to: the power of love vs. evil, tolerance vs. bigotry, free will.

    It was incredibly unnice that the final book was a sickening welter of random death (see below), inconsistencies (see above), and implausible or
    frankly ridiculous plot contortions.

    It was downright awful and extremely disappointing that it turns out that the only person in the entire Potterverse who learned from his mistakes and grew as a person was Dudley Dursley.

    4- Which book did you like most? The least? Any particular reason?
    Favorites were POA (the best written of the bunch, and the one that introduced us to the backstory) and HBP (because I'm a Snape fan who didn't mind any of the teenagers in luv stuff).

    Least favorite, as might be obvious by now, was DH.

    5 - Favorite/Least Favorite character from book one? By book seven did that change?

    I never disliked Snape, but he became my favorite beginning in OOTP when we started seeing more of his past. Conversely, I really loved Sirius until OOTP (and still like him very much, but cannot defend his actions). And Lupin was a favorite right until his pathetic cowardly attempt to weasel out of his marriage in DH.

    As the series went on I came to like Narcissa and Neville more and more, and loved Luna and Tonks from their first appearances.

    My least favorite, ever since CoS, has been Lucius Malfoy. A homicidal bigot who was willing to murder little children in order to gain control over a *school*. He doesn't even have the saving grace of believing in Voldemort's "message"--he was always just in it for his own advantage. The fact that he loves his son does NOTHING to excuse his other actions in my eyes.

    6- Which character death bothered you the most?

    As horrifyingly pointless and bleak as Snape's death was, it still bothered me less than Remus's and Tonks's. Those were gratuitous afterthoughts and FELT like gratuitous afterthoughts.
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