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I have a very varied friendslist. From, “No one is gay in the books, you freak. Can’t you read?” to “Everyone is gay in the books, you freak. Can’t you read?” Most of us fall somewhere in between. I think it’s unrealistic to think that no one is gay in an entire universe of books. Thinking everyone is gay is unrealistic too. It’s fun mind you, but unrealistic. Boys can like girls too. No really, it’s been known to happen.

I really didn’t need to be told Dumbledore was gay. I knew it (I mean look at how he dressed - crushed velvet indeed). To me the Dumbledore/Grindelwald connect was pretty clear. Ridiculously clear, actually. That being said, it is pretty cool to have official canon slash. I thank her for that. It tells me that I’m not nuts (about this anyway). That there were definite clues to things not said peppered throughout these books.

It also allows for more “what else isn’t she telling us” speculation, which is why I fell in love with fandom in the first place. The “what ifs” are what make it fun for me. I never really had interest in rehashing canon (though I did dabble in canon pairings once or twice, I’ll pair up whomever I damn well please, so there.)

Something like this statement, however, revitalizes fandom. The flame wars will rage for some time. For the sake of fandom I hope she continues to blow things up and allow the rubble to fall all around. And I hope we continue to pick up the pieces and do with them what we may.

That being said….there’s some part of me that wishes she’s shut the hell up. That’s right. I’d said it. As far as I’m concerned book canon is the only canon. If she couldn’t manage to get it in several thousand pages - in seven books - then let it go. If you want to give us a glimpse of a post book seven world then write another book.

I can hear you saying - If you weren’t in fandom you might not feel this way. You might want the closure. But I don’t think so. I think I would have liked to think that Neville married Luna and that they spent a lifetime confounding each other. Or maybe Luna and Dean ran off together. Or maybe Harry and Ron started a Quidditch team and much hilarity (and slash) ensued. Or maybe Hermione became the Muggle Prime minister. Or maybe….or maybe …or maybe. The great part of having read a book (for me) is thinking beyond the end and taking the characters to other places. So really, she can stop.

But that’s just me. I’m probably in the minority. In the meantime, let the DumbleWald ficfests commence.

Oh, and JKR is so very obviously a trio-shipper. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :o)
  • Like we're not all very capable of ignoring the heck out of bits from the book canon, let alone the ongoing pronouncements from Mount Rowling?

    Not dead, also epilogue didn't happen, that is all. ;)
  • I'm with you on that, 100%. It's over, Jo, so just let it be so that the rest of us can go about fixing what you broke. ;)

    DEFINITELY not dead. Not not not not not!!!!!
  • You are NOT the only one. I think it's a little sad that she has to explicate the backstories and secrets of her characters NOW, after the story is over. I understand the impulse, but an author should let the story speak for itself and let english majors and fanficers talk and write about their possibly sexualities, secrets, motivations, etc.

    If she'd shown him to be gay during the series, THEN it would have been relevant. And I don't much buy that she's making an argument for tolerance (with DD being gay, I believe she's made that case other ways)...not AFTER she's been paid and reviewed and it's over.

    That said, I think DD being gay is terribly interesting and I like the idea.
  • As far as I’m concerned book canon is the only canon. If she couldn’t manage to get it in several thousand pages - in seven books - then let it go. If you want to give us a glimpse of a post book seven world then write another book.

    I'm with you. It kinda feels to me as though she was tired of not being hounded about what was going to happen in the next book, and decided to give us a morsel, that oh, by the way happened to fit into the canon she'd written. Don't get me wrong, my little gay activist heart is so very happy, but it just doesn't feel... right? Yeah. Right.

    I just figure the books are done, and since they're the only source of canon I believe, since they're the only ones that 1) she's been (relatively) consistent on, and 2) everyone gets in an evenly shared manner, no matter if they're in Timbuktu or the US or UK (and canon should, I believe, be evenly shared), it's time for her to leave the universe alone. Well, unless she wants to write something else, which I would never say no to. :)
  • there’s some part of me that wishes she’s shut the hell up

    Amen. What's the point of a sort and fluffy epilogue if she's going to share things with us afterwards? She should have included all the character and plot info in the books and just comment on her views of the characters in interviews. She chose to have the epilogue sort and meaningless and I respected that, without being annoyed like most of the fandom. But she's now starting to annoy me with all the "after" revelations. If you wanted to share, woman, why didn't you just write?
  • It is nice to have her admit Dumbledore was gay (and the implication of it is even better), but she should just stop. For one thing, some consider interviews "optional canon" (that would be me); then there's the contradictions in the interviews. Changing careers and love interests is not cool.

    Also I tend to ignore canon either way. >.> I just look around going, "Book seven? Has that come out yet? I don't see it."
  • ...
    ...there’s some part of me that wishes she’s shut the hell up.

    I said, "I wish she would mind her gob before there's nothing left." So, yeah.
    ...
  • Doesn't bother me at all if he's gay. But it did cross my mind why she tells us this.Is it to shock the reports etc and cause some fan fiction. Also when she said Neville and Hannah ship. I thought she was just throwing stuff out there making it up as she goes along. I mean in the live web chat she was asked if Luna ended up with Neville and she said no it was too tidy. So why not say that he marries someone else etc.
    Either way this ship doesn't bother me. I wonder what she will come out with next!
  • I agree with you. Including it in the book would have made a more powerful, lasting statement. She says her books are a statement for tolerance, and if she'd just put it in the books, a passing mention, it would have made that statement so much... stronger? Or just plain visible. (I thought the epilogue was too conservative for all her pro-tolerance speech).

    And yeah, why did she say it just now? Had she heard some of the criticisms hurled against her, for not having included a single (openly) gay character in her books?

    As a slash fan I liked the news, of course. But I can't help thinking that Rowling should really leave the text alone now. And if she has some stories she'd like to add, why not write another book? Or better yet: fanfiction?


  • That being said….there’s some part of me that wishes she’s shut the hell up. That’s right. I’d said it. As far as I’m concerned book canon is the only canon. If she couldn’t manage to get it in several thousand pages - in seven books - then let it go. If you want to give us a glimpse of a post book seven world then write another book.


    Absolutely my view. I'm sick to death of her giving interviews, and wish she'd give it a rest for a few months. Let the books speak for themselves, and if they can't, let the fic writers do so.
  • That being said….there’s some part of me that wishes she’s shut the hell up.
    I'm going to be a voice of dissent here. Don't get me wrong -- I've said these exact same words myself, most recently when she revealed that Harry went straight into Auror training and didn't do his 7th year at Hogwarts. I'd just posted a fic in which he'd declared his intentions to go back and do that final year, so I was a bit miffed to have it shafted. Plus, her inconsistencies can be aggravating.

    Here's the thing: Rowling doesn't give a shit what we think. It's not about us, and never has been. I think of the comment she made about rabid Harry/Hermione shippers, and how she specified it was adults who behaved the worst. What matters to her are what kids -- the kids who look up to Harry and Dumbledore and think Snape is mean and nasty -- think. And the kids, for the most part, love these little tidbits. They're like jelly beans raining from the sky.

    I like about all the extra information she parcels out because it gives us a wider variety of options to work with as fic writers. I try to incorporate as much of what JKR chooses to share with us as possible, so now I'm wondering what I can make of the news about Neville and Hannah. Although I'd liked the idea of them as a pairing before, this is the first time I'd actively considered the fic possibilities. OTOH, someone who prefers to thumb their nose at non-book!canon can say, "Hell no, I'm going to ship Neville/Filch because I like that better." Just because JKR said X doesn't automatically exclude Y. If the only canon you want to define as such is what's in the books, what's stopping you? Why can't you think that Neville married Luna and that they spent a lifetime confounding each other. Or maybe Luna and Dean ran off together. Or maybe Harry and Ron started a Quidditch team and much hilarity (and slash) ensued. Or maybe Hermione became the Muggle Prime minister? It's not like JKR is going to send villagers with torches and pitchforks after you. If you don't like what she's saying now that the books are finished, tune her out.

    In the end, it's really not all that different from Star Trek, IMO. There you've got series canon, and movie canon, and Saturday morning cartoon canon, and book canon, and Shatner!book canon, and New Frontiers canon, etc., etc. Thing is, they don't always agree. So, you go through them all and you choose the canon that works for you. Sometimes that leads you to Kirk/Spock, and sometimes it leads you to Spock/Uhura, and sometimes you think Kirk never loved anyone after Edith Keeler. And it's all good stuff.
  • JKR ships trio, Ginny was a consolation prize, only the books are canon. *ticks them off on list* Yup, yup, yup. Meh, I can live without the Drama Llama stuff. I could live happily without the epilogue, and plan to do so for years to come (my daughter just sliced it out of our main copy of DH) and without the various interviews. Lalalala, JKR. I can't hear you:P
  • ILU.

    I love that you can say this shit and everybody still loves you, lol. You's got magic in them fingertips, gel.

    Maybe I'll get some balls, too, and write about how I'm pissed as hell about the epilogue and everything she's said since.

    Probably not, though. XB
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